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I am vindicated, The SEA Directive is the law.

valamhic

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You are peddling false infos here. Not one construction site was closed. You wish it would happen- but it won't.
The C24/19 wind farm permission is now annulled. Finished.
 

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A lot of people are on to be about getting rid of their wind farms.

An application under Setion 160 of the PDA should now do the trick.
 

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A lot of people are on to be about getting rid of their wind farms.

An application under Setion 160 of the PDA should now do the trick.

I'd love to see the end of those disgusting turbines, they're a cancer on the face of Ireland.
 

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The stuff will shoved up your arse- no matter what you want.

In fact, wind farms are anything but eco-friendly. They are causing massive death and destruction in China, with young children and animals dying to produce this muck.

The reality is that, as Britain flaunts its environmental credentials by speckling its coastlines and unspoiled moors and mountains with thousands of wind turbines, it is contributing to a vast man-made lake of poison in northern China. This is the deadly and sinister side of the massively profitable rare-earths industry that the ‘green’ companies profiting from the demand for wind turbines would prefer you knew nothing about.

Hidden out of sight behind smoke-shrouded factory complexes in the city of Baotou, and patrolled by platoons of security guards, lies a five-mile wide ‘tailing’ lake. It has killed farmland for miles around, made thousands of people ill and put one of China’s key waterways in jeopardy.


This vast, hissing cauldron of chemicals is the dumping ground for seven million tons a year of mined rare earth after it has been doused in acid and chemicals and processed through red-hot furnaces to extract its components.

 

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I'd love to see the end of those disgusting turbines, they're a cancer on the face of Ireland.
It was on the car radio yesterday that a whole heap of peat from a mountain wind farm construction site slid down into two rivers and killed loads of fish. On the Donegal border.
 

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I'd love to see the end of those disgusting turbines, they're a cancer on the face of Ireland.
Agree. Not only environmentally and aesthetically. They're also yet another scam based on extracting unearned income from the land and natural resources of our country.
 

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They don't actually work. The reason is because electricity is required 24/7, 365 days a year. When you force in intermittent wind @ a factor of 20% it forces that intermittency to be serviced by fossil fuel power.

It's like if you had a galley slave shop rowed by slaves and a sail was mounted on it. The sail is fixed. You would still need all the slaves at their ores as you did before and the sail would only relieve then when blowing from behind. When blowing form other directions it would slow the ship up. The savings from Ireland's wind has been measured @ 4% only. There is 3,600 MW with average demand of 3,300 MW.
 

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I started campaigning in 2008, carrying out wind measurements and proving wind energy is a scam and does not work. I claimed that the National Renewable Energy Action Plan (2011) was illegal because no assessment under Article 3(2) was ever done for it. The wind energy option is illegal because on-shore wind energy was never assessed with public participation. As Ollie rightly says, I took a Court case in 2016 against the N/S interconnector and lost.

Judge Max Barrett ruled Bord Pleanala was only a clearing house with no substantial decisions to make. A Belgium group in Flanders, were facing a 5 turbine wind farm the guidelines for which were drawn up by the local government of the region. (It set down distances from houses etc). They challenged the grant of permission on the basis that no SEA was done and these guidelines could only be introduced following compliance with Article 3(2) of the SEA.

Now the Court of Justice Grand Camber has ruled in their favour. I was right all along, now its a mess in legal terms.

This means no such thing. It is related to procedural disputes. It mandates EIA's have to be carried out. When they are carried out properly the windfarms are lawful.
 

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This means no such thing. It is related to procedural disputes. It mandates EIA's have to be carried out. When they are carried out properly the windfarms are lawful.
No read the ruling.

It says the wind farm guidelines were a plan or programme requiring compliance with the SEA Directive. If the national court finds there was no SEA it must annul the consent.
In Belgium and Ireland the guidelines are similar and there was no SEA done. The just picked the rules from the top of their empty heads, All challenges to new developments in Ireland and Belgium must succeed.

More importantly is that existing wind farm must be taken down.
I might yet be the first to go on that. There is a case pending in Kildare with lawyers. I prefer no lawyers but if you go to the CJEU you need one. will go the whole hogg until \every one is removed

SECTION 160 PDA
 

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You are peddling false infos here. Not one construction site was closed. You wish it would happen- but it won't.
The one is Flanders is closed, its planning permission was annulled, Its the first. North Kildare is up next.
 

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It is strange that this sort of challenge did not happen before. The wind companies were terrified if it. Ireland's guideline were accepted by government as needing updating. If they had no guidelines at all this ruling would not happen, Turbines could go literately behind your house at 50 meters. But they introduced the guidelines without compliance with the SEA. They toyed with the idea of revising them and did public consultations. I told them the minute they produced them I was off to the High court. They balked and there are no new guidelines. Now they cannot make new ones and the old ones are fair game with this ruling. Any one investing would be mad

What will they do next?
 
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An English Borough had a plan to build a town. The locals challenged that there was no SEA. They did the SEA but it was a lengthy process with numerous challenges. The end result was not to their liking and they decided to drop the whole idea. There may have been a change of politicians. They thought they could leave it at that but the locals mounted a challenge and it went all the way.

The CJEU ruled that and SEA was needed and done for the original plan and an SEA was needed to repeal that plan. The original SEA changed the status om the land and it needed a 2nd SEA to change it back.
 

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This means no such thing. It is related to procedural disputes. It mandates EIA's have to be carried out. When they are carried out properly the windfarms are lawful.
This has nothing to do with the EIA, The Guidelines are not for a specific project, they are a national action by a member state to regulate wind farms. The official side argued that the guidelines were not mandatory for government to make. They just did it to be nice. The court ruled that it was not whether they were mandatory or not which counted it was whether the government had authority go make them that counted. These guideline are official and are unlawful. A national court must annul a project using them
 
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This has nothing to do with the EIA, The Guidelines are not for a specific project, they are a national action by a member state to regulate wind farms. The official side argued that the guidelines were not mandatory for government to make. They just did it to be nice. The court ruled that it was not whether they were mandatory or not which counted it was whether the government had authority go make them that counted. These guideline are official and are unlawful. A national court must annul a project using them
EIAs are mandatory in Ireland for construction of wind farms so this does not apply.
 
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