Rumbling of dissafection in the Greens

Clanrickard

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There are some rumours of people wanting Eamon Ryan gone and urging catherine Val to stand against him. I was a Green and the younger members are leftwing snowflakes which is why I left. Ryan, Sargent, Gormley were pragmatic centrists who cared about sustainability and the planet. The new Greens are into intersectionality and the like. Some of them have patheticly "my pronouns are............" in their social media bios. Unfortunately many will refuse to go in with FF and FG and they seem hell bent on some sort of left wing alliance.
 

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I stopped voting for the Greens when Ryan came up. He is one of the old guard. Makes a career in politics and does not give much about the green idea.
You cannot separate the social aspect from the ecological aspect.
Someone suggesting a big tax on carbon but not giving a damn about those with a low income is clearly not needed at the top of that party.
I am looking forward to Ms. Val's leadership.
A FG/FF/Green coalition is good for no one. FF and FG need to go- both parties bankrupted the state. The last time the greens actually helped to do that.
We need a very different government. SF being part of it. With probably lots of left wing TDs and Independents.
We need something what we never had before- to throw out the old trash!
 

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I stopped voting for the Greens when Ryan came up. He is one of the old guard. Makes a career in politics and does not give much about the green idea.
You cannot separate the social aspect from the ecological aspect.
Someone suggesting a big tax on carbon but not giving a damn about those with a low income is clearly not needed at the top of that party.
I am looking forward to Ms. Val's leadership.
A FG/FF/Green coalition is good for no one. FF and FG need to go- both parties bankrupted the state. The last time the greens actually helped to do that.
We need a very different government. SF being part of it. With probably lots of left wing TDs and Independents.
We need something what we never had before- to throw out the old trash!
We are a very successful country by and large thanks to the policies of FF and FG. The last thing we need is the Shinners cocking it up with their socialist BS>
 
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About time that the Greens came out of the closet.

Looking forward to the openly Marxist wing taking over.
 

Clanrickard

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About time that the Greens came out of the closet.

Looking forward to the openly Marxist wing taking over.
They used not be like that. They have allowed loony lefties to infiltrate.
 
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There are some rumours of people wanting Eamon Ryan gone and urging catherine Val to stand against him. I was a Green and the younger members are leftwing snowflakes which is why I left. Ryan, Sargent, Gormley were pragmatic centrists who cared about sustainability and the planet. The new Greens are into intersectionality and the like. Some of them have patheticly "my pronouns are............" in their social media bios. Unfortunately many will refuse to go in with FF and FG and they seem hell bent on some sort of left wing alliance.
No one's surprised that you would support such an open borders, anti-Irish fuckwit, eh, I mean centrist [sic]

 
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Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, and the Greens are discussing plans to give up to 17,000 undocumented migrants legal status in Ireland as part of their programme for government talks.

 

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Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, and the Greens are discussing plans to give up to 17,000 undocumented migrants legal status in Ireland as part of their programme for government talks.

wrong utterly wrong.
 
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Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, and the Greens are discussing plans to give up to 17,000 undocumented migrants legal status in Ireland as part of their programme for government talks.

Btw, where are they getting the 17,000 figure from?

According to this anti-Irish Times article from 2017, another fifth columnist (Sinn Féin) claims that there are 126,000 'undocumented' migrants in the Republic.


Is 17,000 a quota?
 

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125,000 is more like it, the country is crawling with them.
 

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Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, and the Greens are discussing plans to give up to 17,000 undocumented migrants legal status in Ireland as part of their programme for government talks.

Thing is, while I wouldn’t like to create pull factors for inviting more illegals to the country, many of these illegals have to work in the black economy - and if they were legalised, it may increase tax revenue. You also have a public health situation where illegals will not present for treatment in fear of triggering the deportation process. So it comes down to whether we want to uphold immigration law for the sake of immigration law or do we move to a more pragmatic position. I haven’t made up my mind on that yet.
 
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Thing is, while I wouldn’t like to create pull factors for inviting more illegals to the country, many of these illegals have to work in the black economy - and if they were legalised, it may increase tax revenue. You also have a public health situation where illegals will not present for treatment in fear of triggering the deportation process. So it comes down to whether we want to uphold immigration law for the sake of immigration law or do we move to a more pragmatic position. I haven’t made up my mind on that yet.
Sorry I don't believe in sacrificing the Irish nation for some tax revenue
 

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Sorry I don't believe in sacrificing the Irish nation for some tax revenue
Bit of a strawman there.

These people are already here. Do you ignore that. Or do you bring them into the economy. Ignoring it won’t save the Irish nation, as you put it.
 
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Bit of a strawman there.

These people are already here. Do you ignore that. Or do you bring them into the economy. Ignoring it won’t save the Irish nation, as you put it.
There is a third option, no?

 

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There is a third option, no?

Not that simple. That will work for those only here a certain amount of time. You then delve into the murky field of UNHCR Article 8 rights. Can you just imagine the legal fees involved for Initiating a process for deporting All those people.
 
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